LETTERS TO THE EDITOR Opening up a can of climate whoop-ass on this guy
By Anthony Watts
Opening up a can of climate whoop-ass on .
Dr. Ryan Maue weighs in on Twitter trying to put out the wrongheaded social media fire. It isn’t even an up to date climate model, circa 2009/2011:
The global temperature as of this writing:
For source/info see:
https://temperature.global
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Tom Halla
July 13, 2023 4:34 am
A model using data curtailed to 1979? How typical.
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Scissor
Reply to Tom Halla
July 13, 2023 4:55 am
So many questions like, how is a record going back to 1979 conflated into covering the “history of humanity?”
Last edited 13 hours ago by Scissor
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Richard Page
Reply to Scissor
July 13, 2023 5:04 am
Ego, hubris and arrogance? It’s a stunningly bad combination in anybody, more so in people that are laughably labelled ‘experts’ and excruciatingly so when the ‘expert’ model is so badly out of date.
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Bryan A
Reply to Richard Page
July 13, 2023 8:05 am
Love the intro photo. Here’s a view from inside the can…
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rah
Reply to Bryan A
July 13, 2023 11:19 am
Those guys got one hell of a lot more room in that C-17 than we had on about any aircraft.
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Decaf
Reply to Scissor
July 13, 2023 5:07 am
The history of humanity refers to when they started caring.
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bnice2000
Reply to Decaf
July 13, 2023 12:58 pm
Nah!… the very last thing these clowns care about is humanity.
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Editor
Reply to Scissor
July 13, 2023 5:39 am
Well, they certainly don’t want anyone looking farther back than 1979…
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Jim Karlock
Reply to Scissor
July 13, 2023 5:40 am
“back to 1979 conflated into covering the “history of humanity?”
Simple: Like most of the climate alarm community – THEY LIED!
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JamesB_684
Reply to Scissor
July 13, 2023 5:48 am
For most “journalists”, 1979 is ancient history.
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Sam Capricci
Reply to JamesB_684
July 13, 2023 7:19 am
Unless you’re talking about Watergate. That they never forget, they are still making movies about it.
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Joseph Zorzin
Reply to Sam Capricci
July 13, 2023 9:19 am
Heck, I went to the Watergate Cover Up Trial in ’74. I was driving south from Woke-achusetts to tour Dixie- stopped in DC to see some museums and found out the trial was occuring. So we went and saw some of it- with all the relevant characters- other than Nixon himself.
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Joseph Zorzin
Reply to JamesB_684
July 13, 2023 9:17 am
exactly, I was gonna say that, having been born in the first half of the 20th century (1949)- I suppose for them, it’s comparble when I was a kid thinking about WWI and the Model T Ford
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Gunga Din
Reply to Joseph Zorzin
July 13, 2023 11:21 am
That’s an interesting way to look at history, make it more personal.
When I was old enough to learn that there even had been something called WWII, for my parents, aunts and uncles it had only been about 20 years ago. (Think about the year 2000 to us.)
For them WWI was only about 20 years ago when WWII started. (Again, think about the year 2000 to us.)
My Grandfather (Dad’s Dad) fought in WWI. For him the Spanish-American War was only …
PS My Dad was 10 when my Grandfather, his Dad, died in 1931. I never met him.
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Dave Fair
Reply to Gunga Din
July 13, 2023 11:43 am
In 1903 my great grandmother registered herself and my grandfather and his sister onto the Dawes Rolls of the Cherokee Tribe at the Cherokee Nation within Oklahoma Territory. Eat your heart out Elizabeth “Phocahontas” Warren. White … err … Red Power! [I must be like those black Republican politicians; actually a white nationalist in disguise.]
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More Soylent Green!
Reply to Scissor
July 13, 2023 6:16 am
I saw this sited as “hottest on record” or “hottest in recorded history.”
I will leave it to the group to determine if both of those qualifiers mean the same thing.
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Joseph Zorzin
Reply to More Soylent Green!
July 13, 2023 9:20 am
I suggest both are meaningless. If it’s going to be science, you need to be precise in defining all terms and concepts.
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Gunga Din
Reply to More Soylent Green!
July 13, 2023 11:41 am
IF they are talking about a particular site, both are the same thing.
If they are are talking about the Globe, before the satellite era, we don’t have any measure of Global temperature. Even that isn’t a measure of surface temperatures.
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Dave Fair
Reply to More Soylent Green!
July 13, 2023 11:46 am
They are actually two different things. I’ll leave it up to readers to discern the difference.
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Gunga Din
Reply to Scissor
July 13, 2023 10:32 am
If I’m not mistaken, the first cell phone network was set up somewhere in Japan in 1979. But cell phones of the day didn’t have cameras or video so that’s probably just a coincidence.
(Amazing how much more intense weather events became once cell phones could record video!) 😎
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MarkW
Reply to Scissor
July 13, 2023 10:57 am
In a similar vein, they also like to start measuring from the middle of the Little Ice Age, as opposed to the middle of the Medieval Warm Period, or heaven forbid, the middle of the Holocene Optimum.
Last edited 7 hours ago by MarkW
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Giving_Cat
Reply to Tom Halla
July 13, 2023 10:38 am
The start of the satellite era, 1979. Great. One primitive satellite with a narrow coverage area and by definition uncalibrated. This is the anchor to which we moor our “science.”
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Ed Reid
July 13, 2023 5:15 am
Model outputs are not DATA.
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Curious George
Reply to Ed Reid
July 13, 2023 7:51 am
Summer is still young – expect many more hot records, real or unreal.
Unreal is easier, you don’t have to wait for Mother Nature.
Last edited 11 hours ago by Curious George
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bnice2000
Reply to Curious George
July 13, 2023 1:00 pm
To the MSM, forecasting high temperatures using a model, makes them “real”
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Mr.
Reply to Ed Reid
July 13, 2023 8:59 am
“Average global temperature” is not data either.
It’s a construct that has no real-world application.
Just a talking point.
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Mr.
Reply to Mr.
July 13, 2023 8:59 am
or an arguing point.
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Joseph Zorzin
Reply to Ed Reid
July 13, 2023 9:22 am
Apparently, all sciences would agree with you- other than climate science!
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Nansar07
Reply to Ed Reid
July 13, 2023 11:25 am
Model outputs are mathematical opinions not facts or evidence.
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bnice2000
Reply to Nansar07
July 13, 2023 1:03 pm
And if the programmer knows what they are doing, they can get any answer they want, even if it comes down to changing “parameters”(fudge factors), and running the model several times.
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strativarius
July 13, 2023 5:41 am
Often, maintaining a narrative requires desperate measures.
With each passing day the alarm gets ramped up, it also gets proportionally more ridiculous.
Last edited 13 hours ago by strativarius
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cilo
July 13, 2023 6:20 am
I laugh at you Michael, in fact, we’re all laughing at you.
Good work, that man! Watts, is it? Jolly good, old chap, jolly good!
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Nelson
July 13, 2023 6:25 am
NOBEL LAUREATE: “CLIMATE SCIENCE HAS METASTASIZED INTO MASSIVE SHOCK-JOURNALISTIC PSEUDOSCIENCE” Dr. John F. Clauser, joint recipient of the 2022 Nobel Prize in Physics, has criticized the climate emergency narrative calling it “a dangerous corruption of science that threatens the world’s economy and the well-being of billions of people.”
Along with two others, Dr Clauser, an experimental and theoretical physicist, was the 2022 recipient of the Nobel Prize for work done in the 1970s that showed “quantum entanglement” allowed particles such as photons, effectively, to interact at great distances, seemingly to require communication exceeding the speed of light.
He has criticized the awarding of the 2021 Nobel Prize for work in the development of computer models predicting global warming, according to a coalition of scientists and commentators who argue that an informed discussion about CO2 would recognise its importance in sustaining plant life.
In a statement issued by the CO2 coalition, Nobel Laureate John Clauser Elected to CO2 Coalition Board of Directors – CO2 Coalition Dr. Clauser said that “there is no climate crisis and that increasing CO2 concentrations will benefit the world”
He criticized the prevalent climate models as being unreliable and not accounting for the dramatic temperature-stabilizing feedback of clouds, which he says is more than fifty times as powerful as the radiative forcing effect of CO2.
Dr. Clauser notes that bright white clouds are clearly the most conspicuous feature in satellite photos of the earth.
These clouds are mostly produced by the evaporation of seawater by sunlight. They cover variably one third to two thirds of the earth’s surface.
Most of the energy incident on the earth is in the form of visible sunlight. Clouds reflect sunlight energy back into space before it can reach the earth’s surface to heat it.
According to the Nobel Laureate, this creation of a reflective cloud cover provides a natural thermostat that regulates the earth’s temperature with a powerful negative feedback effect.
He asserts that this temperature regulating effect is more than fifty times as strong as the warming effect of CO2.
Dr Clauser’s statement said that the “Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change and National Academy of Sciences repeatedly concede that the effects of clouds do indeed represent the greatest uncertainty in their climate predictions.”
He further adds that “The IPCC’s detailed analysis of clouds (AR5) and their effect on climate totally misunderstands the effects of clouds, and totally ignores this dominating energy transport process.”
According to Dr. Clauser, “The popular narrative about climate change reflects a dangerous corruption of science that threatens the world’s economy and the well-being of billions of people.
“Misguided climate science has metastasized into massive shock-journalistic pseudoscience. In turn, the pseudoscience has become a scapegoat for a wide variety of other unrelated ills. It has been promoted and extended by similarly misguided business marketing agents, politicians, journalists, government agencies, and environmentalists.”
“In my opinion, there is no real climate crisis. There is, however, a very real problem with providing a decent standard of living to the world’s expanding population, especially given an associated energy crisis. The latter is being unnecessarily exacerbated by what, in my opinion, is incorrect climate science,” he said.
However, the 2023 report from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change calls for countries to ramp up their pledges to lower greenhouse gas emissions enough to reduce global emissions by 60 percent by 2035.
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mkelly
Reply to Nelson
July 13, 2023 6:56 am
Dr. Clauser, an experimental and theoretical physicist, is Sheldon and Leonard rolled into one.
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Dave Fair
Reply to Nelson
July 13, 2023 11:54 am
Climate “science” has a tiger by the tail and can’t let go. The worldwide repercussions of it being thrown off would be entertaining if the impacts weren’t so dire.
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Walter Sobchak
Reply to Nelson
July 13, 2023 12:00 pm
Clauser remarks now on home page: https://wattsupwiththat.com/2023/07/13/2022-nobel-prize-winner-climate-science-has-metastasised-into-pseudoscience/
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bnice2000
Reply to Nelson
July 13, 2023 1:06 pm
I have been saying for ages that “climate science™” is FAR more dangerous to human existence than “climate change” can ever be.
Basically ever comment he makes, is what all the sane people on this forum already know.
Last edited 5 hours ago by bnice2000
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Editor
July 13, 2023 6:32 am
Anthony, I can recall how much fun it was to open a can of climate whoop ass on someone, back in the days I was blogging. The headline made me smile, and I maintained the smile as I continued through the post. Thanks!
Regards,
Bob
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Peta of Newark
July 13, 2023 6:33 am
Here in UK, I discovered a lovely rainfall radar website – infinitely better than the Met Office one.
here
It obviously also dispenses weather forecasts and also on the radar page ‘Storm Forecasts’
Great fun for the UK with all the Thunder/Lightning we’ve been getting.
The guy doing those warning-forecasts gets ‘Quite Technical‘ – he goes deeply into upper/lower/level troughs/ridges/fronts, steep convections, CAPEs and lapse rates
THE notable thing he keeps mentioning as a primary cause of the present UK storminess is the temperatures at the 500hPa level (Is that about 4,500metres, 15,000 feet?) and how it’s running ‘extremely cold’ up there at around -20°C
(Using a 25°C surface temp, my guesstimate of height and 6.5°C per km, it should be normally at -5°C – so minus 20 is ‘a bit off’)
(What do Spencer’s Sputniks see up there – 15°C is after all= seven times the resolution of his thermometer?)
So therefore, how do warmists assert that Global Climate Warming is making the hot weather and the storms when things are so goddam cold just above our heads?
When it is actually intense cold making the thunderstorms – just as it makes hurricanes.
Tornadoes similarly except that they are ‘enhanced’ by very hot and dry surface-air coming off Baja, Mexico, Arizona and Western Texas
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Richard Page
Reply to Peta of Newark
July 13, 2023 10:04 am
If they weren’t measuring just UHI and aeroplane exhaust temperatures they might have a clue. As it is their insane obsession with getting hotter and hotter temperatures at the expense of rational thought seems to have left them right up the proverbial creek without a paddle.
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nhasys
July 13, 2023 6:39 am
I am getting confused with this hot/cold stuff. When they had the hottest day, it was freezing here in my place in OZ.
I did a quick search and found this about the coming ice age, 2018..
The Next Ice Age, July 23, 2018, American Thinker.https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2018/07/the_next_ice_age.html
All I know is its winter here and I have had the gas fire running most of the day to keep the house warm.
Stuff global whatever.
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Disputin
July 13, 2023 7:29 am
I don’t understand. There are two hemispheres in antiphase. Surely the graph that caused the social media panic should not be a simple sine curve?
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bnice2000
Reply to Disputin
July 13, 2023 1:17 pm
It is to do with the ocean imbalance between hemispheres.
Much higher percentage of ocean in the SH than in the NH, and it’s really hard to heat water from above, whereas land warms up quickly.
So yes, a sine curve is what you would expect.
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Daniel Church
July 13, 2023 7:46 am
As I wrote in my novel Winter Games, any reasonable figure for Earth’s “average” temperature would kill a person exposed to it in a short amount of time. Indeed the novel’s protagonists, who are geologists, intentionally subject themselves to 59-degree temps while wearing shorts and a t-shirt and video record their own deaths from hypothermia, sending the videos to media outlets whose narrative-spinning drones proceed to lose their minds. The book was well received here, here, here, and here.
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Bruce Cobb
July 13, 2023 8:50 am
In the history of humanity, has there ever been a segment of the population as big and as dense as the Climate Believers? I think not.
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Mr.
Reply to Bruce Cobb
July 13, 2023 9:25 am
I think the spiritualism / seancers of the late 1800s – early 1900s would be right up there in the running.
https://allthatsinteresting.com/seances
This fad has a lot of similarities with the Climate Crisis Cult.
Once the followers get invested in the AGW belief (“The Cause” as Michael Mann described it), usually through influence from already-captured associates, they see and hear only the “facts” about climates / weather behaviors that their “mediums” present.
All these fads eventually play out just as Charles Mackay described in his 1841 book Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds –
Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extraordinary_Popular_Delusions_and_the_Madness_of_Crowds
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Dave Fair
Reply to Bruce Cobb
July 13, 2023 11:57 am
Witch-hunters?
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John Hultquist
Reply to Bruce Cobb
July 13, 2023 1:14 pm
Bruce’s question got me thinking of the United Society of Believers in Christ’s Second Appearing, more commonly known as the Shakers. The Wikipedia has this: “Shakers were celibate; procreation was forbidden after they joined the society …”
The movement is now down to just two or three members.
There is a small tendency of the ClimateCult™ to forsake children. We should encourage this.
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Joseph Zorzin
July 13, 2023 9:13 am
“As I’ve said before, it is our duty to fight back against the wild claims of the rampant climate alarmism that permeates media, social and otherwise.”
Unfortunately, nobody is listening- outside this small community and some other social media sites. Take Stokes for example. Supposedly a highely educated guy with a PhD? Has he ever acknowledged any contrarian points here? I don’t think so. So, if he doesn’t and he reads almost everything here- certainly nobody else will either including the media- few of which read this site. It’s like trying to discuss theology with anyone who has faith in any religion. They almost never budge an inch. In a way, that proves that their belief is a new religion- because the skeptical community has many good points- but the other side never will admit that- so its insulting to climate scientists who are skeptical and those of us who listen to the views of those competent climate scientists. I’ve faced the same dilemma fighting against forestry haters for 50 years who have never, not ever acknowledged any of my points.
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Energywise
Reply to Joseph Zorzin
July 13, 2023 9:43 am
You’re wrong, people are starting to wake up the the nut zero con and the hypocritical climate alarmists
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Joseph Zorzin
Reply to Energywise
July 13, 2023 9:57 am
Well, maybe the ordinary citizen since they see their energy bills rising but the “intelligentsia” are not waking up. I see nothing here in Woke-achusetts indicating any such awakening in government agencies or the media or academia. Not even from businesses- all seem to bow to the new faith, or they’ve discovered a way to milk it for new riches.
The ordinary citizen only see their energy bills- they have zero clue about the disagreements in “climate science”. They know nothing about hockey sticks, tree ring thermometers, bad sighting of too many actual temperature measuring instruments. I just came from a parking lot at a local supermarket waiting for my wife- looking at the people walking pass the car. I thought to myself, “I wonder how many know about ECS- maybe I should ask them what they think the correct ECS is”. Then I realized not one of the hundreds of people I saw ever heard of that term. Not only is THE science out of site of “commoners” but the resistance to the new cult is even farther out of site. It doesn’t help that the media, all government agencies, academia and even businesses don’t help enlighten the public. As far as they’re all concerned, the science is settled! I have to refrain from my head explosion when I hear that.
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Energywise
Reply to Joseph Zorzin
July 13, 2023 1:40 pm
The intelligentsia are already lost to the new cult, indeed many of them are making a good living from it
The real power base are ordinary citizens
As you rightly state, the high costs of the net zero future, including heavily subsidised, useless renewables, are coming home to roost
The more the blob pushes unaffordable net zero trinkets, such as heat pumps and battery cars, the more the masses will push back
Populist non net zero political parties will rise in popularity, as we are seeing in Sweden, Finland, Italy, Germany etc, and increasingly take up national parliamentary policy positions
It is inevitable – the more they squeeze the already hard squeezed masses, the more they will lose control
We are in for a painful few years, but common sense will return in the end
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Energywise
July 13, 2023 9:32 am
When the UK CAB start ticking OFGEM off, you know whose side the Govt regulator is really on, and it ain’t consumers
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Bruce Cobb
July 13, 2023 9:39 am
Writing letters to the editor on climate can be fun. About like how pissing into the wind can be fun. But, kudos for doing it anyway. Who knows, maybe it will get some people thinking about it, and actually looking into it more.
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PMHinSC
July 13, 2023 10:05 am
Below are comments from my experience writing letters to the editor (LTTE) on climate, energy, EVs, etc. In the last 10 years I have had over 100 LTTEs published.
A. Be aware of your audience. Being an engineer, you need to tailor your technical writing skills to J. Q. Public’s reading skills. Many people seem to have an allergy to numbers that make their eyes glaze over
B. If you have a community standing to protect, you should expect negative public and private feedback both professionally and socially. I am retired and don’t give a fig
C. Although including source information increases your creditability, it is not compatible with space and format constraints. Your smart, you can figure it out
D. Some editors are hostile to your point of view and will either not print your letter or reword it. An editor removed a reference I included in an LTTE which was followed by an LTTE that complained that those with my point of view never cite references. After a phone conversation with that editor, I decided to move on to friendlier territory
E. Some papers limit the number of words. I personally stay under around 400 words and confine myself to a specific message. The shorter the LTTE the better chance the editor can find a space for it. This comment is 282 words.
F. For writing quality I suggest “Flesch Reading Ease“ (this comment is 54.4) and Flesch-Kincaid Grade Level (this comment is grade 9.7). Both are available using Microsoft word and other sources
Although blogs are an excellent source of information, my experience is that most commentors have their own agenda and aren’t interested in explaining to you what to them is intuitively obvious.
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Giving_Cat
July 13, 2023 10:32 am
The average temperature of the earth is several thousands of degrees. All that moltern iron and sulfur at the core don’t you know. What they mean is that infintesimaly thin skin of the biosphere. And to be clearer they refer to an even thinner slice of that infintesimal that is generally considered habitable. The Holosphere? Homosphere? A hundred meters down in the oceans or a thousand meters down in the crust and nature laughs at these “averages.”
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doonman
July 13, 2023 10:45 am
People who claim that model output is data should also take Barbie and Ken Dolls out to dinner as well. If you stop and think about it for a few minutes, there is no difference between the two events.
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rwbenson66
July 13, 2023 10:55 am
Thank you Anthony. I believe that the alarmist headlines need to be countered with a pragmatic view of the best data available. Please continue to provide commentary such as this information. It may fall on deaf ears, but it may find fertile ground with some readers.
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rah
July 13, 2023 11:26 am
Here’ a nice reference for the coming days. I’m sure you all have seen how they are hyping summer temperatures here as something extraordinary. Well here is the list of the official maximum temperature recordedfor each state from Tony Heller that pulled it up from the Wayback Machine.
This way you can open your own can of whoop Ass when someone starts falsely claiming a temperature is “unprecedented” or a new record.
The reason Tony posted that was because of a false claim by the WPO and a Florida Meteorologist.
“In case you missed it.” | Real Climate Science
Last edited 7 hours ago by rah
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John Hultquist
Reply to rah
July 13, 2023 1:44 pm
The table only goes to 2003. Interesting, but not current.
In June 2021 I had a temperature of 116°F in rural central Washington State; a record for me but not the State. 100 miles south of here it got to 120°. The earlier record was from just a few miles north of that at a place not occupied.
https://www.ncei.noaa.gov/monitoring-content/extremes/scec/reports/20220210-Washington-Maximum-Temperature.pdf
Discussed therein is the weather pattern that got us the high temps. 2022 and now 2023 are not close to that record. So far, I haven’t made it to 100°. There is still time, but it is not expected. Subsolar point is at 21.77°N and heading south.
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Tony_G
July 13, 2023 12:01 pm
story tip: Activists upping the ante on hand-gluing protests: https://www.dailyo.in/news/activists-in-germany-glued-themselves-to-the-road-and-they-might-need-amputation-of-hand-40587
Airports on one hand, on the other: epoxy/resin mixtures that may lead to amputation. Video on twitter:
https://twitter.com/TansuYegen/status/1679083757175808000
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Editor
July 13, 2023 12:10 pm
What a great take down against a lazy minded person who ran on his climate bigotry to the point of beclowning himself in the process.
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MarkW
July 13, 2023 1:22 pm
Looking at the final picture of this article, that looks more like the northern hemisphere, not the entire world.
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ethical voter
July 13, 2023 1:46 pm
The media in New Zealand were all over this story. No checking just let’s spin the hysteria. I have noticed that the media everywhere often often project climate news using words like could, may, will, predicted etc. Always presenting their demented imaginations rather than facts. When their extreme weather predictions fail to materialise they say nothing and move on to the next imagined drama. Good journalists are hard to find or more likely can’t find employment.
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morfu03
July 13, 2023 3:45 pm
I have no doubt that the 4th of July in 2023 was a hot day, after all it is summer in the nothern hemisphere and the little ice age is long gone.
You seem to miss the deeper agenda here:
>> and when science proves you wrong you still deny the heat record’s connection to oil
Having a hot day in summer and even this being the hottest day since a long time (not this day, but I believe it might come to that in some of the following year, just a question of probability and measured trends)..
… does NOT mean all the climat models are right all of the sudden!
This still has nothing to do with science!
Reality is that a CO2-effect is measured and real, but it can also seen from measured data that computer models overstate the CO2-sensistivity, missing key features of natural warming and are improved significantly, which means many statements based on older models (like in the IPCC4 report and before) were given on a false sense of certainty and need to be corrected!
It also means that climate scientists made statements with flase certainty over decades and so far refuse to correct them, in all likelihood their current statement lack credibility as we know the models are incomplete!
If I were a betting man, I put my money on the lukewarmers, global warming is real, CO2 contributes, but with a low sensitivity and so far it does a LOT of good like global greening!
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